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Re: ANOTHER SETBACK .
[Re: justinp61]
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03/24/10 06:45 PM
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Isn't there going to be a magazine article on this engine? You'd think R&R would do their best to avoid any bad publicity.
You might get all the money back if that's the case...sending a link to THIS thread would probably help... 
Sorry to see all the problems.. 
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Re: ANOTHER SETBACK .
[Re: MIKES_DUSTER]
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03/24/10 07:24 PM
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Ryan,
WILL R&R refund Rons money in FULL??
Well, I sure hope so.... all I can tell you is the new Carrillo's won't cost Ron a cent... but sometimes it's not all about $ & cents... this whole ordeal has cost him lots of down time & wasted labor etc. But I think in end it will be a much nicer/safer motor with a set of Carrillo's in it. I was worried about those R&R's from day I pulled them out of boxes, they looked a bit "spindly" in the beam area from a side view... I think they would have lived, but would always be in back of my mind, & now the machining errors just threw their use completely out window.
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Re: ANOTHER SETBACK .
[Re: RyanJ]
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03/25/10 09:20 AM
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WOW. I've read good novels that weren't the page-turners this thread was...
That is absolutely crazy about those rods. I read that, and then i read the even sadder follow-up, and all i can think about is that other thread (and many others like it) where guys are complaining that they shouldn't have to do basic checks on a new set ov $1000 Chinese aluminum heads before bolting them on...
I'm a details kind ov guy, i can go crazy over the details, but reading this stuff i think i'd be far too paranoid to be an engine-builder.
Also, i read about the miniscule rod length variances on those RR's, and i'm reminded ov the last set ov LY rods i measured where the longest in one engine was 5/16" longer than the shortest...
Maybe its just me... but has anyone else reading this had a passing thought ov painting this thing orange, putting on some stock VC's, maybe a super-creative intake and putting this in a F.A.S.T. car...??? I'm sure the judges wouldn't notice... . . .
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Re: ANOTHER SETBACK .
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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03/25/10 09:33 AM
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WOW. I've read good novels that weren't the page-turners this thread was...
That is absolutely crazy about those rods. I read that, and then i read the even sadder follow-up, and all i can think about is that other thread (and many others like it) where guys are complaining that they shouldn't have to do basic checks on a new set ov $1000 Chinese aluminum heads before bolting them on...
He couldnt, the block has been heavily modified externally for weight savings, and its not stock appearing.
Otherwise a good idea!!
I'm a details kind ov guy, i can go crazy over the details, but reading this stuff i think i'd be far too paranoid to be an engine-builder.
Also, i read about the miniscule rod length variances on those RR's, and i'm reminded ov the last set ov LY rods i measured where the longest in one engine was 5/16" longer than the shortest...
Maybe its just me... but has anyone else reading this had a passing thought ov painting this thing orange, putting on some stock VC's, maybe a super-creative intake and putting this in a F.A.S.T. car...??? I'm sure the judges wouldn't notice... . . .
the block isnt stock appearing, but its a good idea.
I dont think a "stock" block will fit those guts.
Kasey
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Re: ANOTHER SETBACK .
[Re: Moparnut426]
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03/25/10 10:22 AM
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WOW. I've read good novels that weren't the page-turners this thread was...
That is absolutely crazy about those rods. I read that, and then i read the even sadder follow-up, and all i can think about is that other thread (and many others like it) where guys are complaining that they shouldn't have to do basic checks on a new set ov $1000 Chinese aluminum heads before bolting them on...
He couldnt, the block has been heavily modified externally for weight savings, and its not stock appearing.
Otherwise a good idea!!
I'm a details kind ov guy, i can go crazy over the details, but reading this stuff i think i'd be far too paranoid to be an engine-builder.
Also, i read about the miniscule rod length variances on those RR's, and i'm reminded ov the last set ov LY rods i measured where the longest in one engine was 5/16" longer than the shortest...
Maybe its just me... but has anyone else reading this had a passing thought ov painting this thing orange, putting on some stock VC's, maybe a super-creative intake and putting this in a F.A.S.T. car...??? I'm sure the judges wouldn't notice... . . .
the block isnt stock appearing, but its a good idea.
I dont think a "stock" block will fit those guts.
Kasey
Oh i fully realize this, but the mind gets to thinkin'...
Man, how much fun i could have if i was rich...
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It's FINISHED!
[Re: Pale_Roader]
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07/03/10 07:57 PM
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I finished the 501 today. It took almost exactly 11 months!
Who wants to put it on the dyno??
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Re: It's FINISHED!
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07/03/10 09:15 PM
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We finally got the lifters that were promised to us, something like 8 months ago, from the people that took over Crane Cams (Ryan, correct me if I am wrong). They are a little unconventional in that they do not have all that shrouding over over the lifter wheel. I think the OEM's and aftermarket want that depending on the Block. Depending on how big the oil gallery feed/intersection is. With the R3 48 Deg block the lifter is dry or the machinest puts the oil feed in and it is precise and controlled and usually a lot smaller. So there are no issues uncovering the oil gallery. Also the semi edge orfice/oil feed is on the side, away from the block oil feed so it will never intersect and overfeed the pushrod. These are a short travel lifter with race valving. The plunger only has .050 travel and they want them preloaded .012 to .025. I am at .025 because I ordered my Pushrods slightly too long.  This is basically a race hydraulic roller mopar lifter with a straight Small block Chevy link bar. C/C is 1.56, same as Small Block Chevy.
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Re: It's FINISHED!
[Re: Ron Silva]
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07/03/10 09:17 PM
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These also use a spiral lock and washer to retain the plunger. Looks really strong.
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Re: It's FINISHED!
[Re: Ron Silva]
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07/03/10 11:13 PM
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We finally got the lifters that were promised to us, something like 8 months ago, from the people that took over Crane Cams (Ryan, correct me if I am wrong).
They are a little unconventional in that they do not have all that shrouding over over the lifter wheel. I think the OEM's and aftermarket want that depending on the Block. Depending on how big the oil gallery feed/intersection is. With the R3 48 Deg block the lifter is dry or the machinest puts the oil feed in and it is precise and controlled and usually a lot smaller. So there are no issues uncovering the oil gallery. Also the semi edge orfice/oil feed is on the side, away from the block oil feed so it will never intersect and overfeed the pushrod.
These are a short travel lifter with race valving. The plunger only has .050 travel and they want them preloaded .012 to .025. I am at .025 because I ordered my Pushrods slightly too long.
Ron you did'nt measure the pushrods so that the lifter would be pre-loaded with adjuster all way backed off did you? T&D actually wants the adjuster down about 1- 1 1/4 turn from backed all way back out.... If you had them right length in that 1 1/4 turn range, you could easily knock .013" out of your preload... (then they might be about 1 tune from all way backed out) But probabbly won't be big deal.... sometimes on those hyd rollers they just sound little quieter with more or less pre-load so it's nice to be able to have free range of adjustment for that reason.
Yes those are new GS Products Crane Ultra Pros with restricted plunger travel, he also has more street friendly/lower RPM ones with more plunger travel if needed.... & I think you are right we waited about 8 months to get them made. But my opinion is, they are the best Hyd roller lifter body on the planet (& only 48* Mopar out there)
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Re: It's FINISHED!
[Re: Brian Hafliger]
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07/04/10 02:32 AM
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I finished the 501 today. It took almost exactly 11 months!
Who wants to put it on the dyno??
You know we're available!! Who is doing the article?
John McGann of Car Craft Magazine was supposed to do a big stroker small block shootout between Ford/Mopar/Chevy. But last time I E-Mailed him he did not respond. Plus I do not think he wanted to dyno it anyways. Just pics and specs.
I figure if you or Steve wanted to dyno it I may let it happen. I do not have headers or a redundant ignition or carburator (yet), but could come up with plug wires if needed.
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Re: It's FINISHED!
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07/04/10 04:00 PM
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I have a brand new 950hp that was custom built from PC Carb for Dougs new engine. That should do the job if you need a starter carb! Its got the billet metering block and all the bells and whistles. Lets make a trip to Indio Ron!!!
10.53 @ 125mph. 1.37 60 foot. Caltracs and Monoleafs, AFCO shocks.
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Re: It's FINISHED!
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07/05/10 12:05 AM
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I am sorry, but I probably will not dyno the motor. I thought about it but I do not have anything pressing me to do it. I would rather take my time and put the motor in the Valiant and build the headers and get it running.
One other thing that happened resently I want to touch on. There is NOTHING I like more than taking a fully assymbled motor and having to GRIND on something inside it.
It seems Indy's Crap Machine Work got me too. The #2/7 cylinder Exhaust PR hole is out of place on these heads. Indy 360-1 245RP CNC heads. I was adjusting the lifter preload and thought something felt funny when I depressed the rocker and compressed the lifter plunger and moving the Pushrod. Felt kind of scrunchy. After careful examination I discovered the PR hole is offset toards the center of the motor and the pushrod is hitting. ALL others are centered and I had already checked this and everything seemed good. I had already mocked up TWICE and everything looked good and I know Ryan already did it once too as he remarked about the PR clearance. I was going to live with it because it did not seem that bad,,,,,,,but I then realised that the interfearence was actually pushing the whole rocker over and that would have been a disaster if I had run it. SO..........out comes the die grinder with a 4" long alumimum cutter after careful Prep with rags and so on and using the shop vac to catch as much as possible. Of course you cannot get it all and had to clean up what I could and hope the oil filter gets the rest..................Oh well. Live and learn. That is a good head but somehow they cannot get everything right no matter what! #@$%&@#
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Re: It's FINISHED!
[Re: Ron Silva]
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07/05/10 12:43 PM
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I am sorry, but I probably will not dyno the motor. I thought about it but I do not have anything pressing me to do it. I would rather take my time and put the motor in the Valiant and build the headers and get it running.
One other thing that happened resently I want to touch on. There is NOTHING I like more than taking a fully assymbled motor and having to GRIND on something inside it.
It seems Indy's Crap Machine Work got me too. The #2/7 cylinder Exhaust PR hole is out of place on these heads. Indy 360-1 245RP CNC heads. I was adjusting the lifter preload and thought something felt funny when I depressed the rocker and compressed the lifter plunger and moving the Pushrod. Felt kind of scrunchy. After careful examination I discovered the PR hole is offset toards the center of the motor and the pushrod is hitting. ALL others are centered and I had already checked this and everything seemed good. I had already mocked up TWICE and everything looked good and I know Ryan already did it once too as he remarked about the PR clearance. I was going to live with it because it did not seem that bad,,,,,,,but I then realised that the interfearence was actually pushing the whole rocker over and that would have been a disaster if I had run it. SO..........out comes the die grinder with a 4" long alumimum cutter after careful Prep with rags and so on and using the shop vac to catch as much as possible. Of course you cannot get it all and had to clean up what I could and hope the oil filter gets the rest..................Oh well. Live and learn. That is a good head but somehow they cannot get everything right no matter what! #@$%&@#
Man...the problem with any metal in there is that if it makes it through the engine it's probably going to sit right at the hole to every journal and scrape things up until it's small enough to make it in and scratch the hell out of stuff.
Thw pictured bearings were out of my 360.
A frew magnum rocker bearings ate themselves for some reason and then caused the roller tips to cut into the shoulder seizing them. All this metal had no problem travelling through the oil and making me rather sad on the next oil change. scratched up the crank pretty good and the bearings speak for themselves. The result was that the oil pressure was randomly dropping to nothing at a 750 rpm idle with anything thinner than 20w50. lol
I'm not telling you anything you dont already know, but I'm just sayin! 
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